Malcolm and Simone Collins break down the growing public anger over glaring double standards in interracial violence, media coverage, and the justice system. They dive deep into the Kamelo Anthony case (the stabbing of Austin Metcalf at a Texas track meet), European migrant crime incidents, fundraising scandals, jury selection disparities, crime statistics, and the disturbing normalization of anti-white violence.This episode explores why many feel the law is applied unequally, the oppressor/oppressed worldview driving it, immigration realities, and what a realistic path forward looks like — including building a broad, accountable coalition rather than narrow racial politics. A raw, data-heavy discussion on race, crime, culture, and civilization in 2026.Watch the full Based Camp episode for unfiltered analysis.Show NotesThe Flash Point Cases2026 Karmelo Anthony Murder Judgment* On June 9, 2026, a Texas jury found 19-year-old Karmelo Anthony guilty of murder for fatally stabbing 17-year-old track athlete Austin Metcalf at a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas, on April 2, 2025.* Anthony was subsequently sentenced to 35 years in prison2025 Dublin case* A 20-something illegal migrant from believed to be from Africa (with prior deportation orders) allegedly sexually assaulted a 10-year-old Irish girl in state care at a hotel housing asylum seekers* This triggered riots, vehicle burnings, and clashesJune 2026 Belfast Knife Attack* On 40-something white Stephen Ogilvy by Hadi Alodid, a Sudanese refugee granted status in 2023* Hadi Alodid was charged with attempted murder (but there was immediate unrest over immigration)What people are saying onlineMedia angles (echoed on social): “Is the far right exploiting the attack by a refugee?” with focus on disorder rather than root causes like vetting. (e.g. FRANCE 24 - Europe posted: “Is the far right exploiting the ‘sickening’ attack by a refugee in Belfast?”Depa wrote: Kristallnacht in #Belfast begins:Masked thugs smash windows of houses of black& brown people after Sudanese immigrant tries to kill (Scottish?) man in a brutal knife attackHouses were also torched, mobs attacked POC in Glasgow after far right influencers called for protests..iResist wrote: Anti-immigrant far right thugs in the city of Belfast in the UK have torched vehicles and buildings after a Sudanese man was arrested over a knife attack that left one person with serious injuries.Masked men are hunting immigrants in the city.April 2026 Belgium Kortrijk gang rape* Nine migrant minors (from various non-Western backgrounds) gang-raped a 14-year-old Belgian schoolgirl (”loaned out“ among them).* “The abuse took place during the Easter holidays in April 2024 in the Kabouterbos, a wooded area in Kortrijk. The victim was 14 at the time, while the suspects were aged between 11 and 16” (ReMix News)* She was lured into the woods by her then-16-year-old boyfriend* They filmed her rape and posted videos to snapchat* All were found guilty but received no prison* Instead, they got probation/community service (30 hours max).* Their lenient treatment was criticized as emblematic of soft juvenile justice for migrant offendersWhat people are saying onlineCritics of outrage call it disproportionate or ignoring similar intra-native cases.Per Al Jazeera, Sikh/Muslim/immigrant advocacy groups are distancing themselves from the perpetrator while documenting rising hate incidents.December 2025 Henry Nowak Stabbing Case* 18-year-old White university student Henry Nowak was stabbed to death (multiple times with an 8-inch Sikh ceremonial dagger/kirpan) by 23-year-old Vickrum Digwa (Sikh).* Digwa and his brother falsely claimed to police that Nowak had racially attacked him (grabbing turban, slurs).* Police initially handcuffed the dying Nowak based on this.* Digwa was convicted of murder in 2026; the judge called the racism claim a “wicked lie.”* It sparked major outrage, questions from PM Keir Starmer about how racism accusations influenced police, and reviews of policing. Critics argued initial response prioritized the false hate claim over the victim’s lifeWhat people said onlineHebb Rule is Enough fir AGI/A Creative I - Jayan wrote: “The Sikh man and his family are not walking around looking to stab people. Henry Nowak was a drunk racist abusing the Punjabi and got what he deserved. The police correctly identified the drunk aggressor and just didn’t realise he was stabbed.”Bakara Amuri wrote:🚨😳SIKS ARE FIGHTING BACK…. UNPRECEDENTED MOVES🇬🇧Innocent Sikhs have been targeted, while the elderly and vulnerable arebeing urged to stay indoors, following the sentencing of Vickrum Digwa.Amarjeet Singh, from Hounslow in west London, has launched a website for Sikhs across the country to report incidents of hate crime.The site has received numerous reports in the past five days, with many respondents believing the abuse they experienced was linked to Digwa’s conviction.Will you report any anti sikhs “crimes”?The British Sikh Report 2025 found:49% of British Sikhs were already worried about rising anti‑Sikh sentiment.Many reported being mistaken for Muslims or targeted simply for wearing a turban.according to the report here is the reason why:“far‑right mobilisation”Is There Really a Policing Double Standard?The standard understanding is that there is a double standard, but it’s in favor of whites and to the detriment of non-whites.Per organizations like The Sentencing Project: Evidence from policing, sentencing, and media coverage shows racial double standards do exist—but they do not take the form of “non‑white offenders being treated more leniently on average.” Instead, the consistent pattern in U.S. research is harsher treatment of Black and other non‑white suspects/defendants, especially when victims are white, and more sympathetic social treatment of white offenders.A 2021 study of co‑offending partners found that Black offenders were significantly more likely than white co‑offenders to be arrested for the same incident, especially in assault cases. That is, when a Black and a white suspect commit an offense together, police are more likely to formally arrest the Black suspect, indicating differential enforcement rather than equal treatment.Interracial Crime RealitiesOne thing people are discussing online is the reality of mixed-race attacks/crimesFirst: Most violent crime in the U.S. is intraracial: people tend to victimize members of their own racial group. In 2020, about 69% of violent incidents against white victims and 66% against Black victims involved an offender of the same race or ethnicity. That means “white‑on‑Black” or “Black‑on‑white” crimes are a relatively small subset of overall violence, not the dominant pattern (as reported by the US Department of Justice)Per a 2024 Department of Justice Report, which provides counts and percentages of violent incidents by the race/Hispanic origin of victims and offenders, based on victims’ perceptions:* White‑on‑non‑white* (white offenders, non‑white victims):* White‑on‑black: 57,370* White‑on‑Hispanic: 334,770* White‑on‑“other”: 217,140* Total white‑on‑non‑white ≈ 609,000 incidents.* Non‑white‑on‑white (non‑white offenders, white victims):* Black‑on‑white: 536,120* Hispanic‑on‑white: 271,410* “Other”‑on‑white: 262,120* Total non‑white‑on‑white ≈ 1,070,000 incidents.*Here “non‑white” = black, Hispanic, and “other” race categories.These tallies exclude incidents where offender race is unknown or mixed‑race groups that the table pushes into “other”; they are best understood as approximate patterns rather than precise totals of “all interracial incidents”.General Findings:* The authors highlight that the share of violent incidents with white offenders (47%) is smaller than whites’ share of the population (60%).* They also note that the share of incidents with black offenders (28%) is more than double blacks’ share of the population (12%).* Asian, Native Hawaiian, and Other Pacific Islander persons are underrepresented as both victims and offenders relative to their population share.Key interracial/intraracial findings in their termsFrom table 13 (incidents by victim and offender race/Hispanic origin):* White victims experienced about 3.42 million violent incidents in 2024.* Of these, about 1.71 million incidents involved white offenders (intra‑racial), while about 0.54 million involved black offenders and about 0.27 million involved Hispanic offenders.* Black victims experienced about 0.77 million violent incidents.* Of these, about 0.40 million involved black offenders (intra‑racial), vs about 0.06 million with white offenders and about 0.12 million with Hispanic offenders.* Hispanic victims experienced about 1.16 million violent incidents, with roughly 0.27 million involving Hispanic offenders, and substantial numbers involving white or black offenders.These joint victim–offender counts allow you to identify which victim–offender race pairings are more common in terms of incident counts but still are not presented as “rates of interracial crime” in the report’s framing.Key incident counts from Table 13 (2024 NCVS legacy)All numbers below are counts of violent incidents, based on victims’ perception of offender race/Hispanic origin.* Total violent incidents involving white victims: 3,421,720.* White offender: 1,706,750* Black offender: 536,120* Hispanic offender: 271,410* “Other” race offender: 262,120* Offender race unknown: 645,320* Total violent incidents involving black victims: 773,420.* White offender: 57,370* Black offender: 402,960* Hispanic offender: 121,880 (flagged “interpret with caution”)* “Other” race offender: 54,360 (caution)* Offender race unknown: 136,850* Total violent incidents involving Hispanic victims: 1,160,980.* White offender: 334,770* Black offender: 288,130* Hispanic offender: 274,230* “Other” race offender: 36,930 (caution)* Offender race unknown: 226,920* Total violent incidents involving “other” (Asian, NHPI, AIAN, multiracial) victims: 719,720.* White offender: 217,140* Black offender: 144,420* Hispanic offender: 128,240 (caution)* “Other” race offender: 106,310 (caution)* Offender race unknown: 123,600Limitations of the report* The NCVS relies on victim self-report and perceived offender race, so all offender race numbers are based on perception, not official records.* It does not publish a simple table that directly says “X% of white victims were victimized by non‑white offenders” or “rate of interracial victimization per 1,000 by victim race”; you would need to derive that from the incident table and separate population denominators.Episode TranscriptMalcolm Collins: [00:00:00] hello, Simone. Crazy times we live in. It seems like we’re heading right into one of these.Speaker 2: It seems to be a survival guide of some kind. Survival of what? From the looks of it, a contagion outbreak of the worst kind.Speaker 4: Oh my God.Malcolm Collins: But we are right now, and what we’re going to take this episode to go over is a sea change in public opinion around racial relationships, and I think the beginning of a realization that a portion of America and the wider Western world simply did not at all care when white people died. And, and this is kind of shocking to say, but we right now had a situation where basically being a white American was beginning to feel like thisSpeaker 10: This is about protecting people, ,Speaker 9: something’s wrong.Speaker 10: Look [00:01:00] out! You did what you had to. You’re a hero. That may be true, but I’ll have to live with this the rest of my life, even though I’ll be walking around a free man.Hey, wait a minute. This kidIsn’t just whiteIs a Mormon with a large Lego companySpeaker 10: Wait, what?Speaker 9: Guilty.Malcolm Collins: My God. A- and, and when people are like, oh... Because you see on a lot of the conservative bloggers, and I’m, I’m not gonna rehash all this, have shown you the protesters outside of the Anthony trial.Speaker 19: What do you want us to do? That’s right. What, what do you want us to do at this point? What? I, I, I’m, I’m lost for word. I don’t know what to do. I got five boys. I don’t know what, I ain’t got nothing to tell them no more.Speaker 21: play out since then and what we’re watch happening now is becauseMalcolm Collins: Mm-hmm. Which we’ll go over which was very, very open-and-shut case and really i- [00:02:00] insane.They ended up raising $600,000 for the case moving into a $900,000 house and then-Simone Collins: Wait ... the- The family of the attacker?Malcolm Collins: Yes. Then he had to be, he had to s- s- basically sue the court and say, “I’m, I’m destitute,” and be repor- like supported by a public defendant. Yeah.Simone Collins: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So wh- Oh, okay.The attacker’s family raised a ton of money but said they were destitute?Malcolm Collins: Y- basically, they raised a ton of money. Uh-huh. They spent all of the money on personal things- Oh ... and then they said they didn’t have- And then they couldn’t afford- ... enough money to get like a defender. Oh. And they have personally reported to the media, “Oh, we didn’t do that.”And so like Snopes will say like, “Oh, this isn’t true,” but it’s one of those things where Snopes is so ideologically captured at this point, if you just... Then why is he [00:03:00] using a public defendant if he raised $600,000? Why do they have a new house? W- like, a- and why are, do they admit they have a new house in their own social media postings?There, there, there was a, a incorrect accusation at one point that they had done this, which is the funny thing, is basically the right accused them of doing this before they actually did it. Oh, and theySimone Collins: were like, “That’s a great idea.”Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but they’re like, “Yeah, we can prove we haven’t withdrawn the money yet.”And then like literally just weeks later, “Now we withdrew the money and bought a new house.” Oh,Simone Collins: huh.Malcolm Collins: But anyway, so, we have people like Cardi B saying I don’t know if you saw... Like, so it’s not just the crazy people outside of this place, like, a- and, and saying that he got a new car by the way.Simone Collins: Oh, no.Malcolm Collins: WhereSimone Collins: is- Is, so is this his brother? Because just to be, to be clear, I know, and most people have heard about this, but what happened was in December of 2025, a, an 18-year-old white university student named Henry Noak was stabbed to death multiple times with an [00:04:00] eight-inch Sikh ceremonial dagger.So this was also like specifically a- What are weMalcolm Collins: talking about? That’s, that’s not what we’re talking about right now. We’re talking about the Anthony- Wait,Simone Collins: which case are you talking about?Malcolm Collins: The Anthony case.Simone Collins: Okay, sorry. The- There are so many. Who is, who is, where-what, who, Anth-Malcolm Collins: sorry. I- We’re talking about the Anthony case, the Black guy who stabbed a white track star to death.Simone Collins: Oh, God. I didn’t even come across that. I have all these other cases that I looked at. This is becoming way too much of a pattern Wait, doMalcolm Collins: you even, there are so many random killings of white peopleSimone Collins: Yeah, no.So there’s the 2025 Dublin case where a, a 20-something illegal immigrant believed to be from Africa allegedly assaulted a 10-year-old Irish girl, and then that triggered a bunch of riots. And then there’s a, the June 2026 Belfast knife attackMalcolm Collins: whereSimone Collins: a 40, a 40-something white, Stephen O’Gifley, and, and was, was stabbed by a Sudanese refugee who was granted status in 2023, and then he was charged with attempted murder.But after, immediately [00:05:00] after that stabbing took place, obviously there was a lot of unrest over immigration. And then there was the April 2026 Belgian case of group unplanned surprise sex in a forest. H- I don’t know how else to put this. Basically nine migrant minors from various non-Western backgrounds gang- the prize sex attacked a 14-year-old Belgian schoolgirl who they filmed a- attacking in a forest after she was lured there by her 16-year-old boyfriend.And then posted it on Snapchat. And they were, they were found guilty, but they didn’t receive any prison sentences. They, they got 30 hours max of community service.Malcolm Collins: No prison sentences?Simone Collins: Yeah. Just, you know, clean the f- clean the highway for 30 hours and we’re good. We’re-Malcolm Collins: Yeah. You’re not even finding the ones that I’m finding.Like, did you- Yeah.Simone Collins: Then, then there’s the, the, the Henry Nowek case, which, which I’ve been hearing about the most on social media-Malcolm Collins: That’s the most famous- With the, this huge- But we’ll go over that later ‘cause everyone’s aware of the [00:06:00] details of it ...Simone Collins: dagger. And then there’s w- well, wait, so who, who’s this tracker?Wait,Malcolm Collins: holdSimone Collins: on. I’ve never even heard ofMalcolm Collins: this- You didn’t even find the Sudanese guy who just yesterday attacked- No ... a mentally disabled man in Ireland?Simone Collins: No, and I look at the headlines every single morning. I look at X, I look at Drudge, I look at New York Times- OrMalcolm Collins: the four- I look at Twitchy ... Iraqi guys who did a drive-by, killed a 14-year-old girl, in I wanna say Germany.No. They then moved her body off the road. The police lied to the girl’s mom, saying that it was a German who did it.Simone Collins: And- Oh, for the love ...Malcolm Collins: and then when the mom basically found out and did an investigation, she found out that none of the men even served any jail time. They, they said, “Oh, it’s a, it’s a regular hit and run,” even though they knew that they had moved her body off the road.Oh, for the- Right? Like, they, they are actively covering this up.Simone Collins: Yeah, not e- not even a hit and run, a hit and hide.Malcolm Collins: My God. So what I’m talking about, this is happening so frequently in our society now, likeSimone Collins: we, we even- Like, the, the news cycle can’t even keep up with it. It’s like, I don’t know.” No, news cycle can’t keep up with it.It’s, it’s, now, now it’s like that South Park episode on school shootings of like, “Wait, you [00:07:00] got an F on your math test?”Speaker 34: Stanley, well, do you want to tell your father about what happened at school today?Speaker 35: I flunked my math quiz.Speaker 34: No, the other thing.Speaker 36: What other thing?Speaker 35: Oh, the school shooting? Yes, the school shooting! Oh yeah, some kids shot up the school.Speaker 36: Was it you?Speaker 35: No.Speaker 36: Did you get shot?Speaker 35: No.Speaker 36: Oh. Well, what’s this about failing a math quiz?Malcolm Collins: Well, and the expectation that there will be no repercussions if you kill a white person- Mm ... has gotten so extreme that you will even have not just these crazies, like, outside a courtroom, but Cardi B tweeted, “Wow, just wow.Disgusting. This is not justice. This is trying to make an example.”, So we’ll go over the case of, of the Anthony case, which a lot of people are talking about now, and you’ll get to hear about for the first time, Simone.Simone Collins: Yes, tell me about this track star?Malcolm Collins: No, the core thing that everybody’s whining about with the Anthony case, like the other side, is they [00:08:00] go, “There were no Black jurors.”Here’s the problem. Only three Black people showed up for jury selection in this case. Oh, dear. That we are aware of.Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s-Malcolm Collins: Black people, it turns out, show up for jury selection at an extremely low rate. They showSimone Collins: up- Oh, like even disproportionate to their share of the US population?Malcolm Collins: Yes. So 44% of the time, Black people are non-responsive to jury summons.While this is a-Simone Collins: Well, I think also they dis- disproportionately may serve in jobs that are, like, hourly, and it’s really hard to get time off. You lose shifts, you lose your job. Like- ItMalcolm Collins: could be. I mean, it, it could also be less a sense of civic duty. Like, we don’t know, right? But they, they don’t show up for jury nearly as much as...What, whites show up, they only have a no-show rate of 12%. Okay Extremely low.Simone Collins: Okay.Malcolm Collins: And the three Blacks that did show up were dismissed for normal reasons, which is they were educators. And in cases involving minors, it is normal to dismiss educators. That’s just a normal part- Why is that? What?Simone Collins: Why would that [00:09:00] be?Malcolm Collins: Because they’re seen as being overly sympathetic to minors.Simone Collins: Oh, I thought they’d be overly prejudicial. It’s like, “I’m fed up with these kids. Put them in jail.” Like, minors are now This is my chance to fight back. Oh,Malcolm Collins: okay. Well, and another thing I wanna talk about that we’ll get to in the end here is all this sort of performative racism we’re seeing from the conservative side, where it’s, like, obvious they’re not real racists.It’s like, on our channel, us pretending to be racist, and I’m gonna do that whitest kids you know skit- Oh, God. Not again ...Speaker 12: all right. Guess I’m just gonna have to come out and say it. Now, don’t be mad, but I’m a little bit of a racist.Speaker 11: Oh, really? You’re a racist?Speaker 12: Yep.Speaker 11: No, you’re not.Speaker 12: What?Speaker 11: No, you’re not.Speaker 12: I am. I’m racist every day, all the time.Speaker 11: Well, call me the N-word.Speaker 12: What? Why?Speaker 11: Call me the N-word.[00:10:00]Speaker 12: I, I would. I love slaves.Speaker 11: You love slaves? -Speaker 12: ery I love slavery.Speaker 11: And what is it exactly that you love about slavery?Speaker 12: I, I think it’s awesome that you people... Not you people. Yes, you people have to work for free all the time.Simone Collins: Which I forget on cue again. Oh, yay.Malcolm Collins: But let’s go over the, It, it, oh, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll quickly go over the, the money and the fundraising. So they raised 634, 4K. What it appears happened is first they were accused of buying luxury things with it before they actually withdrew it.Then they withdrew it, hired a lawyer, right? Who was a real lawyer who they did use for a period. But then after that period was over, and it seems that, like, through most of the middle of the trial, while they were able to retain him, they don’t [00:11:00] appear to be able to have kept him on board throughout the entire trial as the main lawyer.This is Mike Howard. And then they had a state defendant. So it is, it is, there’s no way that could happen other than spending the money. Because they would need to prove to the courts that they don’t have enough money to continue to hire a lawyer. Oh,Simone Collins: that’s true. Yeah. That they just don’t... Right?Yeah, so I believe- Or I, I think, I think, can’t anyone request a, a public defendant? Let me quickly check that, ‘cause it could just be even not based onMalcolm Collins: financial- Yeah, they need to prove something called, Resisting public despite the fundrai- in indigent status and indigent status means... I mean, it’s very similar to the Black Lives Matter scam where they, they bought mansions and stuff like that with the money that was meant for Black Lives Matter and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.It, it, it, it, it designates an individual as impoverishedSimone Collins: but verify. We’re, we’re, we’re peer reviewing this. You ask Grok, I’m asking Perplexity. Like, as Mingold does. In the US, you only get a court-appointed public [00:12:00] defender if, one, you are facing a charge that can lead to jail or prison. Oh, that’s this person. Or two, the court finds you cannot afford to hire your own lawyer.You are indigent under the jurisdiction’s rules. So no, this, this person was facing a charge that could lead to jail or prison. Presumably then they could choose to have a public defender. Well,Malcolm Collins: th- whatever. They claimed were indigent. They claim to be impoverished. That’s th- th- they- TheySimone Collins: really, like, that’s, that’s, that is attested.It is, it is- ThatMalcolm Collins: is what’s attested by them, is they don’t have any money left. And I get really annoyed that even Snopes now is, like, going to bat for them when, like, the fact, why would you hire a court-appointed attorney if you still had the money? And they had the money at one point. So where didSimone Collins: the money go?That is true. That is true. Regardless of what they’re saying, it- if they’re choosing to not spend this money... I mean, I, I, if I’m really trying to steel man this, maybe they had a, a falling out or they lost faith in the lawyer and were like, “Look, I just, we have to keep going. There’s an- another hearing. We can’t miss it.We don’t have time to [00:13:00] find another lawyer. You know, no one’s willing to work with us. We gotta use a d- public defendant.”Malcolm Collins: No, they could have hired another lawyer. They had plenty of time. They didn’t have the money. Oh.Simone Collins: Wow.Malcolm Collins: S- anyway, to the points of the case, and, and, and, and this is where-Simone Collins: Here’s, here’s another thing, though.And ‘cause I was th- when I thought you were describing the Sikh family, but it could just be a case of a family cutting their losses. Like, “Look, I know that my kid- We- we’re just gonna write this kid off? The best thing we can do is, like, raise money for the rest of our family and do the best we canMalcolm Collins: and- Well, and the family’s raising money again now after the conviction, by the way.So they’re like, “Oh, the great way to raise a bunch of money.”Simone Collins: Look, you know, if you have a fail son, and your fail son’s gonna get locked away for life-Malcolm Collins: That’s generational wealth right there.Simone Collins: I mean, the reparations. It’s... I don’t know. Like, maybe there’s some psychology to it all.Malcolm Collins: Anyway, to continue on April 2nd, 2025, at a high school track meet in Frisco, Texas during a rainstorm, 17-year-old Kamiller [00:14:00] Anthony from Centennial High sought shelter under the tent of Memorial High School’s team.Austin Metcalf, 17, and others told Anthony to leave. It was their team’s tent. Words were exchanged. Anthony reportedly said something like, “Touch me and see what happens,” while reaching into his bag.Simone Collins: Oh, boy.Malcolm Collins: Metcalf pushed or grabbed Anthony to remove him, so he intentionally tried to physically try to remove him.And note it’s been attested that they asked him to leave something like 20 or 30 times-Simone Collins: Oh ...Malcolm Collins: beforehand, and it w- he clearly wasn’t supposed to be there. It was not his tent.Simone Collins: Okay ...Malcolm Collins: and while they, note, they didn’t hit, they didn’t beat him, they, they merely tried to- They just triedSimone Collins: to, like, pick him up and-Malcolm Collins: to physically removeSimone Collins: him,Malcolm Collins: yes, from their property, right? Mm. A- Anthony pulls out a folding knife and stabbed Metcalf in the chest, then fled. Metcalf died from the wound. But note, note, Anthony did say, “Is he okay?” at some point after fleeing. So- Oh ... he, he’s capable of experiencing s- s- remorse that something may happen to him?Like, I [00:15:00] can’t even... I cannot believe- Mm ... like, the one Black lady who’s like, “He, he said that.Well, you don’t know that he’s not just interested in his own...” Like, they, they... It shows that she thinks that if you are Black and you kill a white person and you express remorse- You feel badSimone Collins: about it. ...Malcolm Collins: That you shouldn’t be punished Which is astonishing.It w- the court case was so bad and biased that there was apparently a moment when the jury gasped- Ooh ... because the person defending the guy tried to suggest that the guy stabbed himself accidentally while pushing him out of the tent.Simone Collins: Oh, that, that the victim stabbed him- Yeah. The public defender tried to argue that?Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I mean, I love that, like, the courtroom actually gasped upon hearing this.Simone Collins: Mm.Malcolm Collins: Now, as to why everybody considers this such an open-and-shut case for self-defense law, which is what they tried to say, which is the wildest thing ever. You can’t go onto somebody else’s property and then claim self-defense when they’ve repeatedly [00:16:00] asked you to leave.Simone Collins: Oh, isn’t that kinda how states that don’t have stand-your-ground... A- actually, isn’t that even kinda how stand-your-ground rules-Malcolm Collins: This, this was a stand-your-ground state.Simone Collins: Oh, okay.Malcolm Collins: So for a stand-your-ground state, a reasonable belief of imminent unlawful force or deadly harm, which obviously wasn’t the case here.Yeah. The response must be proportional and involve provocation by defender. Obviously the court clearly- So theySimone Collins: should each be trying to pick each other up here.Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: Yeah, okay.Malcolm Collins: No duty to retreat from some situations, but you can’t escalate or bring a weapon into a minor dispute. Again, like, he fails at literally every level of what you need for a stand-your-ground law to, to work.Anthony , had the knife ready and issued a threat. Like, he basically brought a knife and issued a threat, right? Like, you can’t do that with stand your ground. Witnesses said he reached into his bag and warned, “Touch me and see what happens,” before physical contact.This looks like premeditated escalation rather than pure reaction. He didn’t just happen to have the pocketknife with him. A pole is not a deadly threat. And we have multiple consistent with [00:17:00] witnesses.So to go over some other cases that have looked like this where we sort of see the opposite reaction of this you know, instead of, like, the person of color automatically you know, having to face any repercussions that I think created the assumption of no repercussions.You have Tamar, 14, from Marken, this is near Amsterdam, oh, so it was in Germany left home at night after an argument with her parents about going to bed. She was walking along a dark road. She was struck by a gray Mazda car, but her body was found dragged to the side of the road just, like, dragged into a ditch after murdered, a 14-year-old kid.The car contained four Iraqi men one of whom was the driver. And they were seeking asylum status. In Germany with German plates. Police initially told the m- mother of the, of, of, of the girl that it was a German driver, even though they knew that it wasn’t. When asked why they had deliberately lied to the parents of a dead and grieving girl, they said, “Oh, it was we didn’t want the Wilders effect.”That is a politician, Geert [00:18:00] Wilders. That’s like saying we don’t want to boost Trump or MAGA, like a mainstream political movement. It’s not even, like, racism. We are afraid of it helping a mainstream politician in the Netherlands, and they just never got any repercussions for doing this. You know what the Iraqis had to pay?A single 1,500 pound euro fine now-Simone Collins: That, that can’t be in, in like concurrence with law in Germany, right? Like, that’s not what happens. That’s not what’s supposed to happen with males. Well, it’sMalcolm Collins: not what happens to Germans, but... And this is what I’m talking about, where it’s actually gotten to the point where the law is just being applied completely separately.If you see our episode in the... I mean, and, and especially when you look at all of this and then you look at, at instances where the law is, you know, protecting rich white people. Oh, oh, they’re fine. Like, look at the bricks and minifigs situation, right? You know? But when you look at the, the way that it’s being applied to like average people.When we had the case of you know, the guy trying to defend someone [00:19:00] on the subway and ends up killing the guy, right? And everyone was just like, “How could you do that? How could you defend yourself? You’re just supposed to lie down and take it.” And what I want to sort of go through in this episode is just sort of normalize how far we’ve come as a society.That you are just supposed to let yourself be stabbed at this point. And th- this is what some communities have normalized to. And it’s leading to really bad action in mass. You know, we have instances, like during the Black Lives Matter protests, that we now know that people were burned alive in that protest, right?You know, bodies have been found in, in some of the stories. I, I know at least one, I think more than one.Speaker 23: Yeah, , a man, , Oscar Lee Stewart, had his store looted and was locked inside, and it was deliberately lit on fire, and he was burned alive. , And so i-if, if you didn’t hear about this, this, this is huge. 19 to 25 people were killed in the riots. N- nobody talks about it. Nobody cares about it. It’s insaneMalcolm Collins: You know, they, they... we... And this wasn’t widely report- like, this wasn’t something that [00:20:00] the progressive media covered, right? Like we- Yeah,Simone Collins: this is my first time hearing about that. That’s terrifying.Malcolm Collins: We have allowed society to enter a degree of just pure degeneracy that cannot be allowed to stand. And in Europe, there’s not even really parties attempting to fight this in a big way. Like, w- when you talk about the mainstream, like the Wilder party or Reform in the UK or the AFD, these keep being called fringe movements.They frame centrist rightism, like the AFD run by a lesbian in an interracial marriage with kids you know, as a, a, a far-right party is, is, is comical. They, they’re like, “Well, they’re far right because they want to get rid of immigrants.” And it’s like, how could you not want to get rid of immigrants if this is the case?If they’re making up... In some of these countries, I’ll, I’ll read after this, but I think it’s like 80% of rapes in some of these countries, right?Speaker 24: A Lund University 21-year study showed that of grape convictions, only 37% had Swedish parents. If you look [00:21:00] at a country like Germany, despite being only 10% of the population, immigrants account for 40% of SAs. And we see this all over the place throughout Europe. It’s just horrible.Malcolm Collins: You know, and we do need to, in the United States, even with the Native American Black population you know, we do need to get more realistic in how we’re having these conversations.They make up a rate of homicides that 6x their population, right? They-Simone Collins: Yeah, so if you look... Like, this is something people are discussing a lot in this discourse. Like, especially for this one 2024 Department of Justice report that gives counts on percentages of violent incidents by the race- Of origin of victims and offenders based on, based on victims’ perceptions, so that’s a caveat there.But it reports 57,370 white-on-black incidents, but then 536,120 black-on-white incidents. [00:22:00] That is-Malcolm Collins: And did you see the rates? The rate stats were almost comical when they came out. Mm-hmm. Where it showed that there wasn’t, in the year of recording, a single instance of white-on-black rape in the United States during that year.This was the National Crime Victimization Survey, a mainstream nonpartisan crime surveyMalcolm Collins: I’m gonna find those statistics to read them, because it’s just, it, that’s where it just gets comical, right? Like, oh, so this is really a unidirectional violence that we’re dealing with here.Simone Collins: But I also, I, rather than, I, I wanna make sure that we don’t just straw man the other side while you’re looking at those stats.Malcolm Collins: Well, no, hold on. If you look at- So- This is, this is from Penn, an Ivy League university in the United States. There was also a Harvard study that showed this, but I’ll just go into the Penn one. Mm-hmm. Regardless of socioeconomic status, Black communities face higher gun homicides. Well, and itSimone Collins: says- Yeah.And to be clear, like 60, in the 60s for both whites and Blacks and, and other groups, 60%-ish, or, like between 60% and 70% are, of crimes are race-on-race. Like white-on-white, Black-on-Black. Like the crimes are, are typically [00:23:00] concentrated in your own group.Malcolm Collins: Right. But the point I’m making here is that these are higher rates even when you’re...So you can’t be like, “Oh, it’s because of historic discrimination,” or something like that. It, it is- No ... because of... And, and why not? If, if you are a Black person and you’re growing up, like, and you see everyone in your community being like, “Of course a kid shouldn’t go to jail for stabbing a kid when he was asked to be re- like multiple times to be removed from the property and they had to eventually physically remove him.That’s a totally normal thing for someone of our community to do.” When they act with shock at this they, they then for young Black kids, they grow up and they think, “This is a type of thing I do. This is a type of thing that’s normal for me to do.”Speaker 15: Webster defines aSpeaker 15: moment as a moment when ignorance overwhelms the mind of an otherwise logicalSpeaker 15: male.Speaker 14: What did you say, b***h ?Speaker 14: Hey, squeeze it, .Speaker 15: Causing him to act in an illogical, [00:24:00] self-destructive manner, i.e.,like a .Speaker 15: But they all end up bad. If they had their own category,Speaker 15: moments would be the third leading killer of Black men behind pork chops and FEMA. It’s a fact.EverySpeaker 15: moment begins with a .Speaker 15: Without that key element, all you’re left with is peace and quietMalcolm Collins: And it’s, it’s true within the immigrant community, it’s true within these, these Sikh communities with these Muslim communities that are immigrating into these countries.When they see these communities have these protests about like, “We should be able to do this,” which we’ve actually seen counter-protests. When people have gone out there to protest, like the, the guy the, we’ll talk about this case now. The white kid who was stabbed and then the, the Sikh kid’s family tried to hide the wea- the weapon.His mom hid the wea- weapon. His, his brothers were complicit in this. The police believed him even though he told them multiple times, “I, I’ve been stabbed, I’m dying.” And we now see these anti-discrimination procedures that they have to go through, [00:25:00] and what the anti-discrimination procedures basically say is you need to always presume the white person is at fault.Well, itSimone Collins: would explain why what happened happened. I, I don’t know if you’ve seen footage from that particular incident, but like Yeah, it, it, it does kind of feel like they’re acting on procedure of like... That, plus also it genuinely seemed like they didn’t believe the white kid. Like, they were like, “Yeah, sure you have been.”Like, “I don’t see anything.” Like, whining.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, I mean, police in the UK are awful, generally speaking. Like my- I haven’tSimone Collins: had any encounters with them, so I don’t know.Malcolm Collins: My experience is they’re like, well this is what happens when you take away their guns and you put them in the far left environment of the UK, is they begin to act like ultra Karens.Simone Collins: Well, I wouldn’t wanna be a police officer in the UK. I mean, to be a police officer without a gun, I’d be terrified. Yeah. But what, it, it is, like that is, I think in terms of the, the social media posts that were made online that I’ve seen, the worst are around that case. Like, this one guy on X posted, “The Sikh man and his family are not walking around looking to [00:26:00] stab people.Henry Nowak was a drunk racist abusing the Punjabi and got what he deserved. The police correctly identified the drunk aggressor and just didn’t realize he was stabbed.” Like, that is notMalcolm Collins: good. This, again, what I’m saying here is they genuinely... We need to move, because I think it can sound like people are being hyperbolic.And I, and I wanna go through some articles where, where people talk about, like, the, they’re so concerned about the rise in reportings of these crimes. And like, The Guardian of course has a piece, panicked that these crimes are being reported at higher rates now. And we need to go from the they want you dead isn’t hyperbolic.It’s what they when, every time they cheer when they say... Because historically this is how it started. It’s like, oh, the number of you know, whites will no longer be a majority in the country. White populations are going down. And you would see at leftist rallies they would cheer. This really happened, right?We would see them cheer. Eh, that means, [00:27:00] oh, this is exciting for us. Like, we are getting rid of this population. H- A, a generation raised singing that and normalizing for that is of course not going to mind as much when they see white people being killed, and is going to react absolutely in panic when they see white people defending themselves, which is what we repeatedly see.Of a continuous post here.Simone Collins: So an- another response that’s really common with, like, this specific Si- Sikh stabbing incident is, “Sikhs are fighting back. Unprecedented moves.” This is from Baakara Amri. “Innocent Sikhs have been targeted while the elderly and vulnerable are being urged to stay indoors following the sentencing of Bikram Dhingra.Amrit Singh from Hounslow and Mas- “west London has launched a website for Sikhs across the country to report incidents of hate crime. The site has received numerous reports in the past five days, with many respondents believing the abuse they experienced was linked to Dhingra’s conviction.‘Will you report any anti-Sikhs crimes?’ The British Sikhs 2025 [00:28:00] report found 40 thou- 49% of British Sikhs were already worried about rising anti-Sikh sentiment. Many reported being mistaken for Muslims or targeted simply for wearing a turban, according to the report. Here is the reason why. Far-right mobilization.”So what, what... And this is a really common pattern across most of these incidents, which is instead of respond to the actual crime or to condemn the actual aggressors- Mm-hmm. Yeah ... in these crimes, they’re like, “You know what? This is just the right trying to use this to radicalize people.” And instead of having a real conversation about what’s going on of, like, this is not acceptable.We have to punish these people. They cannot be lenient punishments. We need to reconsider deportations. We need to reconsider immigration. Instead it’s like, “No, no, no. You’re just, you’re just hating on people.” And that, I think, is where I feel like the conversation is just people screaming across the bow to each other, is that there has, from what I can tell, actually been a policing double [00:29:00] standard in favor of white populations in majority white countries, and to the disfavor of non-whites.Like per organizations like The Sentencing Project, evidence from policing and sentencing and media coverage shows a true racial double standards, at least historically, have existed. They just happen to be, you know, a- against, you know, the favor of-Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, we can, we can... So one-Simone Collins: I think what’s happening, though, what I’m trying to say- We know that this happened-is maybe right now people are over-correcting for hysteric- sorry, historical favoritism toward white people, historical bias, and they’re going too far. And now what needs to happen is a market correction. But one side, the progressives, people on the left, are just so, like, stuck in the there is discrimination.There is discrimination that they can’t see that maybe they’ve over-corrected at this point. And then on the right, they’re just so angry that the left isn’t even listening to them that they’re getting more and more extreme and shouting louder and louder.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and that, the entire point I’m making is I think that that is the [00:30:00] wrong takeaway from all of this.Simone Collins: Really? Okay.Malcolm Collins: Yes. Yes. I think that for a long time that has been my position. My position has been this is just marginal over-correction. But when I look at the posts and the people, when I look at how incensed they were that Anthony was charged, when I look at them saying, “Oh, it’s good that the Sikh killed this kid in the street and that the police let him die,” what I’m seeing, when you see mainstream figures, not just online crazies, like Cardi B saying that this is disgusting, that, you know, justice was carried out, what we are seeing here is a m- a large part of the left, and especially these minority communities, genuinely believe that The law should not apply to their communities.They, they, they, their communities should be allowed to kill this other group with impunity because this other group is so beneath them, so beneath in, in the long for- This is why we [00:31:00] saw, and I think we should have assumed this, when we saw the people having the parties for the October 11th attacks, you know, before the IDF did anything in response or anything like that, on college campuses around the United States they really believe, and watch our video on Zoran Mandani where we break the psychology and politics of this that the world exists in two classes: the oppressor and the oppressed.And anyone who’s in oppressed class, even if they functionally have societal power which they do today if they’re in the oppressed class, they can do anything they want to the oppressor, and it is never immoral. So when they go and, you know, Hamas is dragging girls away from a peace protest, right, which was what it was, the big concert that they had, and gang raping them and murdering them in horrific ways, this isn’t bad because girl was of oppressor class, the other side was of the oppressed class.And I think that this is hidden from a lot of, a lot of people under the mindset that you are going right now, which is just [00:32:00] like, “Oh, we over-corrected.” This isn’t over-corrected. This is cheering when people are brutally graped or murdered and things alike, like the police actively lying to a girl’s parents about the ethnicity of who just killed a 14-year-old girl.That isn’t like,Simone Collins: Yeah, no, that, that is, that is something that’s atrocious That’sMalcolm Collins: like the height of like Jim Crow South and stuff like that when I went through-Simone Collins: Yeah, oh, and also correction, I completely mixed up in my head Nicki Minaj and Cardi B. Cardi B is very anti-Trump. Nicki Minaj is the person who, like, showed up s- with some support for Trump, and people on the left defenestrated her for that, of course.So it’s Nicki Minaj who’s being boycotted.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, when you have something like a teenage girl being gang graped in the woods and, and, and no one is sent to jail for this.Simone Collins: I mean, to be fair, they were like age 11 to 16, so it might just be about like minor offenses, but I think there are plenty of cases- That’s not aOctavian Collins: minor offense.Simone Collins: No, no, no, but [00:33:00] they are minors, and they are offe- They murdered a girl. They are a threat. I n- Malcolm, they are minors. They are below the age of 18. Yeah, IMalcolm Collins: know. They should still go to jail. They’re clearly a threat to their community.Simone Collins: Right. I mean, there are certainly exceptions in which minors are tried as adults.I just don’t knowMalcolm Collins: You don’t need to be tried as adult. There’s prisons for minors. What are you talking about?Simone Collins: Oh, well, I, I mean, who knows how it works in other countries. I, I mean-Malcolm Collins: No, you can go to jail as a minor. There,Simone Collins: there’s entire prison- They’re extremelyMalcolm Collins: lenient in many European countries And you don’t get to just murder or grape someone because you’re a minor.And the mindset it shows to not only video... This is what I’m talking about when I saySimone Collins: they think about- No, it’s so sick, and it’s, it’s truly sick. It’s, it’s, it’s horrific. It, yeah ... to video it,Malcolm Collins: put it on Snapchat. To do that shows you don’t believe you’re going to be punished.Simone Collins: Yeah, they, they, they expected some level of impunity, and they got it.And- I mean, like, they weren’t wrong to do that ... and then they got it. Yeah.Malcolm Collins: This is the thing that’s changing. When you’re like, “It’s a m- it’s a minor change”- Yeah,Simone Collins: I guess if we live in a society in which young [00:34:00] teens believe that they can do such a thing, post it to Snapchat, and, and not be that at high risk and actually get caught, and then only get 30 hours community service shows how bad it is, I guess.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I think that w- I think the wrong takeaway from this, right? Which I think some of the right is going to have, is that this means that we need to exclude all members of these communities from our faction. And that, that is a huge mistake, because you don’t have enough white people to win elections.The, in, in, in fact, a lot of this mindset, while it is prevalent in some of these minority communities, is coming downstream of, of white women. Okay? You don’t have the votes to win if you try to take a racialist perspective, like, say, a Nick Fuentes does. If you want to win, you need to get on our team- P- people who want their group to behave respectably and want their [00:35:00] group to be held accountable.That, that, once you get that, then, then it works. It’s okay. Bring them over, right? But that’s the world we need to move to if, if we’re gonna win, realistically. And then with everyone else, I think we need to get dramatically harsher. And I think that we are seeing a model of the way that the West or the United States at least, should reorient the way it sees people who...And, and, and groups that are acting bad. I think Israel is sort of modeling the direction we need to go. And I think that that’s one reason why they make such a natural and strong ally right now, is some people are like, “Well, you know, Jews see themselves as a distinct group,” and yes, they have, you know...I can go to Israel and have a great life. Like I’ve, I’ve, I’ve been to Israel before. It’s a really nice place. You don’t face... At, at least when I was there, I never got any sense of any discrimination. It’s not that there aren’t parts of Israel you can’t go where you will face discrimination but that’s true of anywhere, right?You know, there are white communities where you’ll face discrimination in the United States. There’s Black [00:36:00] communities where you’ll face discrimination in the United States. But the, the overall, they’ve created a multi-ethnic society in Israel and a multicultural society. But it is still a society where there is a, a ethnic identity and cultural identity and religious identity sort of recognized.And I think that that is the direction that we can go in the United States that will be sane. And we actually see, like a lot of people can think, “Oh, you’re not gonna peel off, you know, Black voters.” We actually have a significant Black fan base, first of all, for people who are unaware of that. And in addition to that when the left tries to do all these crazy things like de- go, defund the police and stuff like this, on average Black people, when I talk about like wh- whites don’t have enough money not enough votes to win on their own on average, Black voters were more anti-defund the police than the average white voter.Note here, I’m not talking about like Republican white voters. I’m talking about the average white voter. That means you can peel off people easier [00:37:00] from the Black side than the white side on this particular issue. And the a- answer is, is because when you recognize, oh, this community is more violent, because as Simone said, they are disproportionately the subject of that violence And you say, “Okay, this means we need to act in a different way when engaging with this community,” the, the, the, the people who benefit from that the most are the people from that community.That’s why Blacks didn’t want the police defunded, right? Like, a- and if you, if you look at... Well, I mean, you’ve, you’ve obviously got different portions of these communities, but the Blacks who still have healthy families and are having lots of kids are, from what I’ve seen, universally in this conservative camp.It is, a- a- and note, there are a lot of, you know, raised without dad stuff in the Black community. The, the rate is astonishingly high. But I don’t think that that is going to continue to be a problem going [00:38:00] forwards, because we’ve seen the Black fertility rate drop below the white fertility rate in the United States.If you’re not aware of that, that, that happened. Not controlling for income, just raw numbers dropped below the white fertility rate. I, I remember when I mentioned that on the stream, people were, like, confused. They thought it was like... Watch our episode on it. Like, we go over all the data. Like, like, if you look at native-born Blacks, they have a desperately low fertility rate in the United States.Most of the Black fertility rate is pumped up by immigrants. Native Blacks mainly have a fertility rate of, like, 1.3 at this point. And so, what, what basically what I’m saying is this is a community we can eventually get on team.Speaker 22: Reverend Jordan Wells. I’m a Black man, proud conservative, and a follower of Jesus Christ. When I see protesters outside the Collin County Courthouse chanting, “F**k white lives,” after Karmelo Anthony’s sentencing for murdering Austin Metcalf, my soul grieves. This isn’t justice. This isn’t community. This is a demonic hatred, plain and simple.All lives are made in the image of God, every single one, Black, white, brown, doesn’t matter. Celebrating the loss... This is, this is [00:39:00] true. Celebrating the loss of any innocent life or cheering on evil because of skin color is straight from the pit of hell. And here’s the truth they don’t want to say out loud.When Black conservatives, Christians, or truth tellers like me call this out, we get labeled as traitors, Uncle Toms, or betrayers of the community. It’s true. Let them talk. I’d rather be disliked by some in my own community than stand before a holy God and be found guilty of excusing evil, hating my neighbor, or twisting justice for racial points.My allegiance is to Christ first, not color, not tribe, not political pressure. Woe to those who call evil g- good and good evil, Isaiah 5:20. I ch- I choose truth over tribe, light over darkness, God over man. Who else is tired of the hate? Drop a prayer hands if you stand for real justice, not skin colorMalcolm Collins: You know, reacting with hostility to everyone in the community.But when it comes to the people who are doing things like protesting the Anthony ver- verdict or stuff like that, you know, the people [00:40:00] who we see, you know, the Cardi B’s and stuff like that, the level of anonymity we need to have to these people should be as if, you know, th- like, like they have genocidal intentions.The people who cheer when the white population is falling, they’re doing that because they want to get rid of this population. In every other context we call that genocide, and they have violent genocidal intentions. And that’s the way we need to reframe how we see who we are up against. We need to be the side of true and genuine diverse groups working together to win and preserve civilization against the racist spastics.And the left has become the team of racists. I mean, you’ve got Nick Fuentes on the left now saying he’s a moderate Democrat, voting leftists since forever. You’ve got the Islamists there. You’ve got the, the the gay extremists there. Watching the Islamists and the gays fight over pride was hilarious.But the point being is every one of the mainstream racist factions, like David Duke went to the left, right? Like the, the, the head of the KKK [00:41:00] went to the left, right? Every one of the major racist factions in the United States has naturally drifted to the left because the left has become a coalition of supremacist groups that are simply living in denial about the fact that they’re not at the top of that particular coalition, or that think that once they knock society down, their side will rise from the ashes.And th- this is what we’re seeing. Like, obviously the gays know that the Islamists want them, you know... I think it’s, what? 35% of American Muslims, and these are the ones who are having the majority of kids in Muslim communities, want Sharia law. Like, that’s literally want them dead. That’s not like a, a figurative thing or something like that.But they, they are aware of this. And same, like Nick Fuentes is aware of this as well, right? Like David Duke’s aware of this as well. But they just think that, oh, well, once they knock things down, once they, they, they don’t wanna be in a faction that allows Indians in. They don’t wanna be in a faction that allows Jews in when they’re willing to play ball, right?But we need those groups to win, right? D- even [00:42:00] just, like outside of the morality of this and everything like that, we need them to win because the right is the side of the honest conversation. And if the honest conversation says w- we are going to create a society where you are treated, you know, in, in, in a way that is demonstrably unfair or something like that then they’re gonna be like, “Well, I don’t, I don’t wanna be a part of that coalition,” right?Whereas the left, they can have these conversations where one minute they say something Islamist and the next minute they go to Pride, right? Because it, there’s no inter- it doesn’t matter whether they’re being logical or, or not. But as long as we are the logical conversation, we can’t play that game, and we need to push back against people who are performatively racist not to showBecause there’s, like, the jokey performative racism, which a, a lot of people on the right do to sort of show in group where they’re not truly being spiteful about a group, right? But they’re saying something that’s edgy, and so you know, “Okay, yeah, he’s one of us,” right? Like I can, I can take [00:43:00] what he’s saying seriously.An, an example of this, Leaflet actually had a really funny joke, is she was looking at all the protesters outside the Anthony trial, and she said that she should start a stand for you know, that juice-soaked pineapple trend. Have you not seen the juice-soaked pineapple trend?Simone Collins: I heard there’s something about pineapples and Kool-Aid and the CIA that’s floating about the internet, but not this.Black peopleMalcolm Collins: apparently, like, invented this thing where they sort of pickle a pineapple in heavily sugared juice.And it’s an extremely high calorie thing, and there’s videos of, like, fat Black woman eating it, and then Asmongold tried it, and he said it’s disgusting. But it’s become, like, the, the joke, the Black thing, right?And, and so she said that’s not genuinely being mean to that group or anything like that. It’s just being edgy. Like- It’s like the, I don’t know, the, the w- w- with the watermelons of our generation or something like that. Oh. Or the fried chicken of our generation. It’s like,Simone Collins: if you- Well, isn’t it kind of like making fun of [00:44:00] a basic white b***h for liking pumpkin spice lattes?Malcolm Collins: Yes. It’s exactly like a, a basic white b***h l- And, and it’s so weird that for a while in our society you could say, “Oh, pumpkin spice latte,” like, as a joke about white women, right? And everyone would laugh. And you say fried chicken, why, why, why is that a problem to say? Like, fried chicken’s a tasty thing, right?Like, it’s not like- Really good ... disparaging a community to say that they like fried chicken. It’s not like saying they likeSimone Collins: being- It’s a testament to good taste. Now all I want is Wing Bucket. No.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, like if, if, if, if you were talking about, like, okay, maybe if you say that, like, Indians smell like curry or something.I mean, I generally think curry smells good, but, like, I could see that being disparaging. But saying you like fried chicken is just like- Saying you have to- Duh ... is disproportionately true in the community. It’s like a known- Yeah ... bla, bla, bla. But we as- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... a society just, like, acted like, “Oh my God, you can’t do that,” which shows one thing- Yeah, ISimone Collins: guess it’s-exactly ... maybe there’s an episode in that on its own. I’d kind of like to explore, [00:45:00] like, why kind of teasing a, a racial, national, or ethnic group about food sometimes is okay and sometimes not. Like, if someone’s like, “Oh, those natto-eating Japanese,” like, I don’t really know anyone who eats natto who’s not Japanese.And it’s really- What the heck is natto? I think it’s really gross. Most people, even, like, a lot of Japanese people think it’s really gross, but, like, talking about it isn’t gonna make it get me in trouble, whereas, like- What is natto? Natto is a very, very healthy but kinda st- like, really, like, mucusy fermented soybean.Really good for you, like incredibly healthy food. But-Malcolm Collins: Okay ...Simone Collins: yeah, I’m, I’m not for itMalcolm Collins: Are you workshop slurs here? Natto eaters, is that too much of a-Simone Collins: Na- natto, N-A-T-T-O, natto. PeopleMalcolm Collins: aren’t even gonna be able to pronounce this. This is ridiculous. You’re- Well, anyway- You’reSimone Collins: not even- I, I don’t get it.Like, it’s, it’s one of those things of, like, can, can you not? Like, like, I know that... Like, I stayed with a Japanese family once where, like, one, one family member would eat it every morning for breakfast. He was a doctor. He knew how good it was for you, and it’s like a [00:46:00] very traditional Japanese, like, breakfast food over rice.And, like, the rest of the family was like, “That’s nasty.” But, like, but but then I’m sure there are lots of people per this, like, pineapple dish you’re describing, within communities where it’s popular who are like, “That’s nasty.” And I think that there are lots of people in the white community who are like, “I am not ever going to touch a pumpkin spice latte.I, I am, I’m a purist. I only drink espresso from the specially sourced coffee bean.” Right? Like- Right ... why is it weird to... Anyway, we’re getting off topic. Well, because it’s weird becauseMalcolm Collins: we created a racial caste system. That is what happened. It was a caste system where different social norms applied to different groups.This is historically what we called racism where one group had specific social norms around their behavior that was expected to be followed, and they got, they, they got used to it being the case that they couldn’t be criticized as a group.Simone Collins: Oh, Germans and krauts. So there, there was that against white people, and doughboys.Well,Malcolm Collins: potato [00:47:00] eaters, you know,Simone Collins: I don’t... Was potato eaters this? I’ve never heard potato eaters. I’ve heard krauts. I’ve heard doughboys. This is for the Irish Well, yeah, but I’ve never heard someone say that. I’ve heard people say krauts. I’ve heard people say-Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but it, th- those terms are horrible.But the point being is imagine when you’re trying to understand how somebody could, like, be like, “Oh, it’s disgusting that this person was tried for a crime they obviously committed,” right? How you end up with that mindset is you first have to live a life where your group is never responsible for the things it does, and this